Refute of Bible

[Ginrai]

The Bible starts off, with Genesis, as being completely untrue. From there, where is there to go? If Genesis, the foundation of the Bible is untrue, how can you then say any of it is real? Let's take a look at just the first part of the Bible and look at some of these problems. Your task is to respond to THESE points without bringing up any red herrings. Also keep in mind that we are not debating if A god exists, but if YOUR god exists. Any arguments you put forth that could apply to any god do not count as support for YOUR religion. If you decide that the Bible is not real and still want to then debate some sort of deistic god, then I will do that. I will not debate both at the same time, as theists so often love to do because they realize there is no hope of proving a ludicrous text like the Bible to be true. Lastly, any dismissal out of hand of evolution without GOOD evidence (ie, not anything you found on AIG or from Kent Hovind) that it is false (it is not, so I would suggest if you think it is you do some reading and some thinking), shows you to just be a complete moron who apparently couldn't even get through basic high school biology. I suggest you read this before you start making ANY claims about evolution: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html

First, there is light. But wait, light from where? There are no sun and stars yet, so where does this light come from? That just doesn't make sense. What, is god making himself glow? That'd mean he actually existed and was giving off something, rather than being entirely "spiritual"(code word Christians use for something that doesn't exist but they want to make people think it does by wrapping it in childish mystery) and what would the point of him glowing BE? What, omnipotent god can't make stuff without light? Now, this is a point that Christians have been hammering me on, because they want to stay away from the really important arguments for which they KNOW they can't argue against, but still, this is a pretty idiotic thing to put at the start of the book, and I've heard all the arguments about god BEING light, but if god was light, he would be MADE of something, as I said above, but I want to reiterate it because apparently a lot of Christians skim it. If god IS LIGHT, then he is made of PHOTONS and I will need you to present these PHOTONS and show me how they are SENTIENT and capable of creating MATTER.

Anyway, next, we have Earth, before there is a sun (arising from water, which seemingly is just floating around in space, no less). This is simply untrue, because what happens is the sun was formed first, possibly as the result of two stars exploding and the material coalescing and starting fusion and forming our star, or possibly simply starting via a dust cloud swirling in space and at the center the more volatile elements of hydrogen and helium getting together (gravity) and beginning the sun. There was then an explosion as the sun started up and the stuff that was left over is what became the rest of the planets in the solar system, including the Earth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gLcxafJjPI

You see, the Bible was written during a time when people thought the Earth was the center of the universe and that everything went around it. We know this to not be true. Nor is it true that the Earth was created before everything in the universe. Now, as we continue through Genesis, we get plants before the sun, which makes no sense whatsoever either since plants rely on the sun for survival. Without the sun to trigger photosynthesis, there could not possibly have been plants.

Next, god finally starts making some life, but silly him, he makes fish and birds at the same time. Well, that doesn't make sense. Birds and fish did not come along at the same time, birds came a long time afterward, and they did not come along before land animals, which god makes next. You see, birds evolved from reptiles, we know this to be true. The fossil and genetic evidence is undeniable, you have simply to look it up.

Finally, god makes man from dirt and magic, then woman from man's rib, which is utterly preposterous. We know how humans evolved, like birds, we have many transitional fossils which shows how we progressed from our ape like ancestor to what we are today, as well as the genetic markers that prove we are primates and related to the chimpanzee and other great apes. Again, you have but to look at the evidence to see this is true.

Now, if Genesis is therefore untrue, there was no fall. If there was no fall, there was no original sin. If there is no original sin, Jesus is rendered moot and we can safely just ignore the rest of the Bible as fanciful fairy tales, though this is by no means the end of the lunacy presented. I assure you there was no global flood, nor do people get eaten by fish and coughed up just fine some time later.

You can do cartwheels all you want and try to claim Genesis is symbolic or some such nonsense, but if this is true, then we can just say the entire Bible is symbolic, and indeed, Jesus is nothing more than a hero tale, of which there were many before (some that are VERY similar to him, so similar one can only assume the Gospel writers were doing nothing but adapting earlier mythologies, making it unlikely there was even a man in which the story was initially based upon) and many after. If you'd like to discuss that, I'd be more than willing, but I'd love for you to look up whatever argument you will make on behalf of your messiah before sending it to me, as I've likely heard it and refuted it before. It's so cute when theists think they are being original when they are actually being banal beyond belief.

You may also want to look up why, according to the Torah, Jesus is not the messiah. Claiming that he didn't have to accomplish all of the things he was supposed to because he is going to have a second coming all of a sudden(this is never mentioned in the Torah) is just the writers of the Gospels making up shit to make their very implausible story seem to make sense, but if you don't accept the Mormons making shit up afterwards, I don't see why you accept the NT making shit up. Think about it from a Jewish perspective. Some guys come along and say they have this story that is supposed to be YOUR hero who will do all these great things. But then he doesn't. And you say, "Well, then he obviously isn't our hero then", but they say, "Uhhhh, wait... He gets another chance... He'll... come back from the dead and do all that stuff... eventually! Yeah, that's it!" What would you say to that? Considering that in the NT Jesus fails to live up to the prophecies of the messiah+he seems to be more like a pagan demigod like Horus or Mithra, we can dismiss the New Testament as false, and considering the Torah is about as accurate in history and science as The Iliad, we can safely dismiss it. So you can now either pick a random new god, or realize that all of the gods are made up by men, are nothing but myths, and live a rational life that embraces reality. Or you can continue to be willfully stupid. Your choice.
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